The following is a lightly edited transcript of the January 13 episode of The Daily Blast podcast. Listen to it here.

Greg Sargent: This is The Daily Blast from The New Republic, produced and presented by the DSR Network. I’m your host, Greg Sargent.

There have been a lot of ugly developments around the horrific killing of a mom in Minneapolis by an ICE agent last week. Donald Trump has offered a vile new excuse for the shooting, Kristi Noem had an ugly moment while commenting on the agent’s conduct, and a new report finds that there have been far more shootings into vehicles than you might have thought. Meanwhile, over the weekend, we saw massive popular protests against ICE. Yet if anything, Trump officials are only digging in harder and being more contemptuous of those who are upset by the killing. It sure looks like Trumpworld sees this as an opportunity to further antagonize blue America, and it’s proceeding accordingly. Tim Dickinson, a senior writer for The Contrarian, attended an anti-ICE protest in Portland over the weekend and talked to some people about what Renee Good’s death means to them. So we’re talking to him about all this. Tim, good to have you on, man.

Tim Dickinson: Hey, it’s great to be with you.

Sargent: So, Renee Nicole Good was killed by an ICE agent in Minneapolis, and multiple videos showed that the agent was simply not in life-threatening danger before opening fire three times. Video that was supposed to present the agent’s perspective wasn’t in any way exculpatory. Trump was asked on Sunday night whether deadly force was really necessary. Here’s what he said:

Donald Trump (voiceover): It was highly disrespectful of law enforcement. The woman and her friend were highly disrespectful of law enforcement, you saw that. They were harassing, they were following for days or for hours. I think, frankly, they’re professional agitators. And I’d like to find out—and we are going to find out who’s paying for it.

Sargent: Note that Trump says both Good and her partner were highly disrespectful to law enforcement—as if that makes it OK. And that they’re going to investigate who’s behind all this agitation. So they’re threatening to use this to crack down on the left. Your response to all that?

Dickinson: Well, that’s their playbook, right? Anytime they see dissent—they tend to characterize it as inorganic and paid for by George Soros or some other bogeyman. And they don’t seem to either comprehend that people could disagree in good faith, or they’re just using this politically to try and crack down on left-wing dissent as though it were terrorism or some sort of organized movement that is also deserving of state violence.

Sargent: Yeah, I mean, everybody’s a terrorist, right? So the second we learned about this shooting, Kristi Noem runs out and says that this officer was the victim of........

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