The events that led to a federal officer in Minneapolis killing Renee Nicole Good have not been universally interpreted. On a visit to Texas on Wednesday, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem described the incident as an “act of domestic terrorism.” She said Good was attacking ICE officers and that she “attempted to run them over and rammed them with her vehicle.”

“Our officer followed his training, did exactly what he’s been taught to do in that situation,” Noem said later in the day at a press conference in Minneapolis.

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey called that “bullshit” and “garbage.” He demanded that ICE “get the fuck out of Minneapolis.”

“We do not want you here,” he said. “Your stated reason for being here in this city is to create some kind of safety, and you are doing exactly the opposite.”

And when Frey was questioned about his remarks by CNN host Kaitlan Collins, saying some had called his remarks “divisive,” he said this: “I’m so sorry if I offended their Disney Princess ears. But here’s the thing. If we’re talking about what’s inflammatory, on the one hand, you got someone dropping the f-bomb. On the other hand, you got someone who killed somebody else.”

So how did all of this get started? And how is it all going now? Today, Explained co-host Noel King wanted an on-the-ground perspective, and Max Nesterak, a reporter and editor for Minnesota Reformer, told her that Minnesotans are tired and full of pain.

Below is an excerpt of their conversation, edited for length and clarity. There’s much more in the full podcast, so listen to Today, Explained wherever you get podcasts, including Apple Podcasts, Pandora, and Spotify.

Over the past couple of weeks, a fraud scandal in Minnesota has consumed the American right. That scandal led to the government deploying a bunch of ICE agents to Minneapolis. Yesterday, one of those officers

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